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Monday September 16, 2024 - Update

Hi @Heavy Water, @Bddpaux, @Cromium, @Chaetodipus, @JJLiu112, @LivelyRatification, @Microchip08, @RockerballAustralia, @SVTCobra, @Tom Morris, @Tyrol5 @Michael.C.Wright who is on wikibreak(I will try to do this weekly, if you want to opt out of notification, let me know)

Awaiting your help with review:

WHO declares global mpox emergency, UNICEF prepares conditional vaccine supply agreements Aug 14, interview (Gryllida refused to review as topic unfamiliar)
Salvadoran director of National Civil Police Mauricio Arriaza Chicas dies in helicopter crash September 9 or 8 (Gryllida cannot review as was involved in editing)
Global Witness reports almost 200 environmental activist killings in 2023 September 10
33,000 Boeing machinists go on strike September 13
Poland declares state of disaster due to severe floods September 15 or earlier

Published within last 7 days:

Regards, Gryllida (talk) 02:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted within last seven days. Mostly as abandoned. Many due to lack of reviewer or copyediting author. Is some more analysis needed?

Regards, Gryllida (talk) 02:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update [1] Gryllida (talk) 10:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wednesday September 18, 2024 - Update

Hi @Heavy Water, @Bddpaux, @Cromium, @Chaetodipus, @JJLiu112, @LivelyRatification, @Microchip08, @RockerballAustralia, @SVTCobra, @Tom Morris, @Tyrol5 @Michael.C.Wright who is on wikibreak (If you want to opt out of notification, let me know)

There are 5 articles awaiting review, of which 1 is dated August (Original reporting), 3 are dated September 13, and 1 is dated September 11. Current time (UTC): 22:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Still awaiting for your help with review:

WHO declares global mpox emergency, UNICEF prepares conditional vaccine supply agreements (1447 words; original reporting; original event dated August)
33,000 Boeing machinists go on strike (348 words; 3 sources; September 13 event)

Awaiting your help with review, in addition to the previous message:

Ford Motor Company announces plans to repurpose Chennai plant in Tamil, southern India for global exports (153 words; 3 sources; September 13 event)
Press union revealed largest ‘harassment’ campaign against Hong Kong journalists (511 words; 5 sources; September 13 event)
Wikimedian blocked globally for 'trolling' Hong Kong journalists (591 words; 5 sources; September 11 event)

Published after the last update:

Nil.

Deleted after the last update: (excluding LTA, broken redirect and spam):

NBA team Houston Rockets former general manager and assistant coach Carroll Dawson dies at 86 (Abandoned)

Regards, -- Gryllida (talk) 22:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New category, can an admin please populate?

Category:New England, including

Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:42, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Added. The added category will show when a reviewer approves. (I didn't self-approve.) Please let me know if further changes are required. Gryllida (talk) 23:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Urgent - OR? - Sourcing requirements - Russian_Wikipedia:_now_2,000,000_articles

Based on source 1, this is original reporting, correct? It is a technical forum discussion.

For original reporting are two independent sources still required? Source 2 is written by the same user, the article author here.

Thank you in advance for your help, it would help me to review the story quickly.

Event date: September 18

Time now: 11:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

It is 3 days old now, leaving only about 3 more days for review (including communication with the author).

Regards, Gryllida (talk) 11:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Before I saw your comment on the talk page, I was about to review and fail the article because it does not have two independent sources that support the focal event. I was also going mention that press releases do not support newsworthiness.[2] —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 13:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Michael.C.Wright! Why did my comment stop you? Is original reporting not required to have two independent sources? Gryllida (talk) 02:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. But it's not tagged as OR and no notes were provided, so it is, by default, synthesis. We have a longstanding principle Wikipedia is not a reliable source, as it does itself, and comments in a Wikipedia discussion hardly meet muster as capable of factual verification of anything more than that some folks wrote them, OR or not. The press release faces the same issue, to say nothing of its circular sourcing issue. For articles, like these, I think we're best relying on official PR/technical statistics (attributing in both cases, naturally), though the former may rely on the latter. Moreover, I'm wondering about relevance, especially in light of another longstanding principle ours stipulating news about Wikimedia has to clear a higher bar for relevance. Are we to cover every increment of, say 500,000, or a million entries in every Wikimedia wiki that achieves such? I think if you look at the examples provided at that link, you can see the distinction I'm drawing between this sort of newsletter focal event and a focal event with relevance throughout Wikimedia or beyond. Heavy Water (talk) 03:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you understand that in our country not a single mass media outlet would dare to publish such news. I barely found one brave soul. Lesless (talk) 09:39, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3DNews and DTF did --Ssr (talk) 10:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ssr

Thank you very much. It helps for independent source, especially the first one. The second one is rather short and is a social media. It does not help to verify two questions, the first one I consider essential:

which page was the 2000000th - how is this confirmed
what is "Cebuano, Warai" and "Dutch, Swedish"

(Maybe on article talk template {{question}} and {{done}} can be used more often, or something else to clarify that it is still awaiting reply.)

I usually use programs on wiki well, just my current environment is a little too overcrowded with tasks, and help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards, -- Gryllida (talk) 11:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I remedied one of the issues by attribution, e.g.,specified which source this infornation came from. Gryllida (talk) 12:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lesless: it's just useless to talk to them here in English Wikinews. They have a strong long-standing tradition to oust us, Russian-speaking Wikipedians, from their website by any means. Many-many articles were dropped in such way. They have harsh policies of ousting people that they just don't like. It's contrary to all the principles WMF is based on, but nobody cares. --Ssr (talk) 09:10, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article talk page contains specific questions. They don't close the door. Gryllida (talk) 11:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Служебная:Вклад/Gryllida. Heavy Water (talk) 15:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mikhail_Gruznov:_We_do_not_understand_what_is_happening_on_Wikipedia. Hey everybody people of good will and of free knowledge! Do not deal with English Wikinews! They are very unwelcome to people of the world. They accept only specific people picked by their doubtful and suspicious criteria. Go to English Russian Wikinews: https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/en We are much kinder and much more Wiki-devoted. We are the biggest Wikinews in the whole human history, as well. --Ssr (talk) 06:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this article is topical and that it is very important to have it on Wikinews. I think that there are enough sources and their quality is good enough. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:08, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Art Outreach By Olusola David Ayibiowu Motivated Visual Art and Science Students in Lagos Schools

Is this original reporting or is this spamming? It seems like a non-profit. Guy does art education in different schools and reports it in news. Please advise? Gryllida (talk) 19:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it looked strange also I didn't think spam though I thought advertising but spam seems appropriate also. Thanks. I also wrote a lengthy reply on the other discussion page. BigKrow (talk) 22:58, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not this is a commercial enterprise shouldn't matter. Newsworthiness aside, at a glance it looks like he hasn't got mutually independent sources (all were created by him). Not to mention his glaring COI, directly analogous to Viktor Pinchuk, IMO, and disqualifying of him. Heavy Water (talk) 02:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please use the following web links to access the independent sources concerning the Art Outreach Samsung News.

https://player.glb.samsungcast.com/podcast/19f84780-453d-4158-b496-05084ed8c7a4

https://player.glb.samsungcast.com/podcast/96913389-633d-4f4a-b1f8-680229c7e9ae

https://player.glb.samsungcast.com/podcast/b016cb90-78cf-4e3e-af67-a2365206fa5f

https://player.glb.samsungcast.com/podcast/b6bd71dc-31dd-4952-8b0f-0f146fe74221

https://player.glb.samsungcast.com/podcast/c0112692-2118-41ac-9825-0505d9453bcb

https://player.glb.samsungcast.com/podcast/c6663e7d-5e87-4793-9c27-c0e328140da0

https://player.glb.samsungcast.com/podcast/ff7edc22-a7fc-4adb-8a67-cafbe0a3887d

https://player.glb.samsungcast.com/podcast/5b42f4bd-55ff-4c23-b6bf-b347313c96a4

https://player.glb.samsungcast.com/podcast/812f5df3-a6d7-4635-94ab-aeb146c48832 EduEditorsNG (talk) 13:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This arev other independent sources.

anotherArt Outreach on Audible last updated 7 Sep 2024

Listen on: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Outreach-Olusola-David-Ayibiowu-Curated/dp/B0D9P9L3MB

ListenNotes

https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/the-art-outreach/art-outreach-brightens-lagos-s1aWqvl85RH/

Goodreads

Olusola David, Ayibiowu

https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/124528746-olusola-david-ayibiowu

iHeart Radio

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1333-a-brush-with-inspiration-199659501/episode/a-brush-with-inspiration-olusola-david-199659506/

Best Paste Episode in (2024)

His Art Outreach are listed among the best Pastel Podcast Episode in 2024 on Player FM.

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Post publish edits to the Pagers story. #accidents #lebanon #technology URGENT (within 24 hours after publishing)

I worked on the pagers story a bit today -- post publish edits. If it is not only minor edits that are allowed post publication, then please review?

@Michael.C.Wright @Acagastya @LivelyRatification @Bddpaux @JJLiu112 @RockerballAustralia @Heavy Water@Cromium @Microchip08@SVTCobra et al.

Thank you!

Regards -- Gryllida (talk) 13:44, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Viktor promotion

I mean I saw Виктор Пинчук articles were criticized for him reporting on his own exhibit. It sounded to me it could be easy to change, from 'Victor presented unusual textbook at literary festival' to reporting on the entire festival, where and how it was held and how many people participated, what were other talks or exhibits on it, and so on. Victor could easily interview several different people there and include this into his story along with the part about his book. (Which is freely licensed, so it is less of an issue than a book which is only available by purchase.) I wanted to get a note from several contributors here confirming it is a sane idea, so it is confirmed before Victor starts working on this and we do not have a situation where he wrote as I suggested and it turned out again it was not publishable. Thank you! --Gryllida (talk) 02:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Argument

The article talks about the only participant of the literary festival who presented a work in English and published this work (as stated above) under a free license in one of the Wikimedia projects. But it is really possible to add one or two paragraphs about the other participants. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 05:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hololive talent Watson Amelia announces end to her streaming activities

This was written on September 22 about a September 20 event. It reads as promotional to me. Is this only because of the vocabulary ("a talent of the English-speaking branch of VTuber agency") -- which is perhaps typical in this industry? Or is it an issue that all this whole article is about one person? I requested author to clarify at the talk page of the article. An additional insight from another contributor, perhaps someone more familiar with this topic, would be very welcomed. Thank you. Gryllida (talk) 05:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, the word 'talent' seems common, author will possibly be able to clarify.

Is this article newsworthy - could you please confirm - as it is not about a nobel prize laureate or a widely known person - please confirm this for me as it will help me with the review.

Thank you very much. Gryllida (talk) 01:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hizbullah Usir 2 Jet Tempur Israel grammar editing may be desired

Author may have a language barrier. I have this long "sleep" thing for a while so if you are keen, welcome to revise. Thanks heaps. Gryllida (talk) 13:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I made some changes and it requires more: e.g. the quotations are not 100% grammatical, but I'm hesitant to change a quote. Also, the article uses "Hezbollah", which is a more common transliteration, but the title is "Hizbullah". That's just odd.

Good luck with your medical condition. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:41, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ for your help!

The foreign language sources can be marked as such, there is a template for it. Example HERE.

The quotations aren't proper grammar because the contributor does not speak English well; if you don't mind please you can use an automatic translator or two (DeepL, Google Translate, Libre Translate) or ask at a foreign language Wikipedia for help, and leave a note on article talk -- as a reviewer doing these changes would make them disqualified from reviewing.

I've reached to an Indonesian contributor off-wiki for assistance. Gryllida (talk) 02:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The correct tanslated title should be "Hezbollah repelled two Israeli warplanes".

"Hizbullah" is a word that is spoken by an Indonesian. Yonlecoder (talk) 05:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! It is red link in heading, if you click it, you will see the new page name. Gryllida (talk) 12:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

boeing update

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y064gz1e3o Boeing withdrew pay rise offer to striking workers Gryllida (talk) 10:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi @Heavy Water, @Bddpaux, @Cromium, @Chaetodipus, @JJLiu112, @LivelyRatification, @Microchip08, @RockerballAustralia, @SVTCobra, @Tom Morris, @Tyrol5 @Michael.C.Wright who was on wikibreak

I made pages here

~~User:Gryllida/Notifications/New/Develop~~

Category:Gryllida/notify/new/develop (news draft just made)

~~User:Gryllida/Notifications/New/Review~~

Category:Gryllida/notify/new/review (news just submitted for review)

Category:Gryllida/notify/new/publish (news just published)

They work like mailing list, they leave messages to talk pages. Administrator or user with "massmessage" permission can use Special:MassMessage to send message to these pages. Unfortunately only to this wiki. If you want to get notified about new drafts created or being submitted for review please ~~let me know to add you to the list~~ add your talk page to the respective category.

I expect all reviewers to action this please. Non reviewers are welcome to join too.

Notifications will be sent manually at first and then later I will write a script/bot which will need massmessage permissions.

I hope this will help to get more prompt revised articles to meet primitive requirements: "event is fresh, sources provided, 5W answered".

It is my proposal that you are only obligated to verify the 5W and not everything as this makes review a lot lighter work.

And more reviews. If everyone does one published in a week it helps. I cannot publish most as I often edit and am involved.

Note I am writing a series of tiny articles which only include 5W and nearly nothing else. They should be easy to review.

Regardless of your decision could you all please reply to this message and confirm you received it, and even better if you comment on some of the above?

Please let me know if any comments or questions. Gryllida (talk) 08:13, 11 October 2024 (UTC) Edited 09:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Acagastya Gryllida (talk) 08:13, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note, you may want to either

check your preferences to ensure new messages to your talk page generate an email, and a valid email is set. check email regularly

or

login to a wiki regularly and check notifications. ensure new messages to your talk page are set to generate a notification

Regards, 🙂 Gryllida (talk) 09:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At the moment, I am able to find newly created articles without an additional system. However, I am curious about the other proposal. Is that a type of pre-review? I'd like to hear more about how it works. I'm not sure I understand it completely. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 15:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

main page does not show newest articles to logged out users

Hi,

I opened main page in an Incognito window and the latest story it shows is about resignation of a public officer in Germany, which is from last week. I logged in and it shows recently published articles correctly. I then waited an hour or couple and tried again in Incognito window: the result is still the same. :-( What is the cause and how can this be resolved?

The lead needs to be updated. I cannot handle editing more than one page at a time, and if someone else could please assist, it would be greatly appreciated.

Regards, Gryllida (talk) 05:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is changes to the five lead templates needed sighted.

I am unable to reproduce the problem at the moment though. Is it still a problem on your end? —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 16:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also see identical results logged in and logged out. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]